As it has been pointed out on numerous occasions, the Big Bang theory does not claim that "the universe was created from nothing". It does not posit any "magical atoms", any "exploding atoms", et cetera.Jweishuhn said:@Factfinder
There is a reason why people claim the creation of the universe is evidence, because the scientific evidence that shows the precision and complexity of what lies within our universe in order for it to survive, leads one to believe that it had an intelligent designer. You speak of that being based off of faith and in many ways you are correct, because at the end of the day, it cannot be proven beyond a shadow of doubt that it was created by a designer. However, the same can and should be said about those who hold to the Big Bang theory. For the simple fact that, that theory is pretty much based on a miracle in itself. There is no empirical evidence that proves that the universe was created from nothing, it is simply a theory that a magical atom appeared out of nowhere, that it exploded and somehow everything managed to fall into the exact places they needed to in order for the universe to survive. The probability of that happening is beyond astronomical. Therefore, is it not fair to conclude that those who hold to the Big Bang theory hold to an assertion of faith as well?
Certainly! Here’s a concise explanation of the Big Bang theory that you can use to clarify misunderstandings in your discussions:
The Big Bang theory is a scientific model describing the early development of the Universe. According to this theory, the Universe began from an extremely hot and dense state about 13.8 billion years ago and has been expanding ever since. This initial state is not described as "nothing"; rather, it was a singularity encompassing all of the mass and energy of the Universe.
Key points about the Big Bang theory include:
Initial Singularity: The Big Bang started as a singularity, a point where the density and gravity may have been infinite. This singularity marks the limit of our understanding, as the laws of physics as currently known do not apply in such extreme conditions.
Expansion, Not Explosion: The term "Big Bang" might suggest an explosion, but the theory actually describes an expansion. This means space itself has been expanding, and continues to expand, carrying galaxies with it.
Cosmic Background Radiation: The Big Bang theory is supported by observable evidence such as the cosmic microwave background radiation, which is the cooled remnant from the early state of the Universe, now observed as microwave energy permeating the cosmos.
No Claim About Prior Conditions: The Big Bang theory does not provide a mechanism or explanation for what "caused" the singularity or what conditions were like before it. It merely describes the evolution of the Universe from that initial state onward.
Does Not Address Creation: Importantly, the Big Bang theory does not address the creation of the Universe from "nothing." It does not speculate on what preceded the singularity or if "before" the singularity is a meaningful concept, as our understanding of time itself starts with the Big Bang.
This explanation underscores that the Big Bang theory is focused on describing how the Universe has evolved over time from a hot, dense state and does not make assertions about existential origins or what might have come "before" the Big Bang.
And before someone accuses of me having no arguments and having ChatGPT speak for me... I have said pretty much the same things as it did on numerous occasions - but the resident religious folks pretended that it did not happen. They cannot pretend that ChatGPT does not say it, however, for anyone can verify that first-hand. Anyone can also verify that I have said all of these things before, but looking for my comments on this website is clearly more time-consuming than writing a short ChatGPT prompt.
Oh, but he cannot. There was this amazing joke:Factfinder said:@Delilah6120
If personal character was the only standard for determining who would fire nukes off Biden would have done so by now.
Small correction: @MayCaesar does not hold this belief, as he explained to @just_sayin on numerous occasions. @just_saying is a habitual liar and slanderer, so please do not take his descriptions of other people's views seriously.just_sayin said:
So, you already have extraordinary evidence available. There are at least 24 witnesses who are documented concerning the event. What more evidence is needed? Could it be that you are moving the goal posts at this point, because you don't believe the supernatural is possible? That's certainly the case with @MayCasesar. He believes science has the answer even when science says it doesn't have the answer and that its not possible. I admire his faith. I just don't have enough faith though to be an atheist. Instead, I see all the facts in this case and the due diligence to ensure that it isn't a fake or made up story, and I see the numerous witnesses and I have to conclude that the event took place.